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Postby stephendell » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:46 pm

Just came across this on Motor Trade Insider...

"...my quest took me to the Renault Alpine Owners Club, an enthusiast’s site for all French rarities including the lovely GTA..."

"...still the RAOC seems a friendly place to spend an hour or so..."

Bargain of the Week- Renault Sport Spider
March 21, 2009 by Serman

This week’s BOTW is quite a rare find. The Renault Sport Spider could still be put into a hall of classic Ferrari’s and Porsches and draw in a curious crowd. It was such a milestone not only for Renault but the automotive community as a whole that any serious petrol head should recognise one at twenty paces and can probably remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when the Spider was launched. Built to promote and launch Renaults sporting brand ‘RenaultSport’ and also a one-make racing series, the Spider is one of those cars that reminds you of a timewhen manufacturers weren’t restricted by the powers that be. That freedom turned out some memorable machinery and thankfully the Sport Spider still remains one of them fourteen years after its debut. Built from 1996 to 1999 only 1685 Spiders were made and around forty of them in right hand drive, so trying to track one down today is almost impossible.
I thought I’d raised the bar too high when deciding to go in search of a Spider as my quest took me to the Renault Alpine Owners Club, an enthusiast’s site for all French rarities including the lovely GTA. Lo and behold with such an obscure search came a clear answer, still the RAOC seems a friendly place to spend an hour or so but don’t expect to find some of Renaults heyday models up for grabs. Most remain in cherished hands.

Forget the local’s too. The most you can expect is a clapped out Clio for £500. Back to my friends at Google, then.

Typically after a few minutes of searching the three I’d found in the UK were already sold. My search for Renaults mysterious Spider seemed to have come to end. I made a few phone calls and was hoping that a couple of favours might avoid frustration but with a week gone by and no voice mails it wasn’t looking good. With the deadline looming and no BOTW to write about I finally admitted defeat and went for Plan B.
The saying goes that Sods-law always turns up at the wrong time, and it couldn’t have been truer in my case. With BOTW 10 in the bag I get a call from a trader friend of mine with some good news. Turns out he’s got a contact with a Sport Spider for sale after the previous buyer pulled out with financial cold feet and now he’s looking for a second bite at the cherry. Perfect. This is a one owner car from new (1996), it’s in RHD which means it comes with a full front windscreen (the left hookers were only fitted with a wind deflector) and had covered just 11,000 miles.

Fitted with the 148bhp Clio 2-litre 4-pot the Spider isn’t what you would call a turbocharged fury, but as the chassis is made from aluminium and with a no frills, two-seater menu, it‘s no slouch. With a thin canvass roof for storage purposes only, you have to drive the Spider roofless. Combine that with no luxuries what so ever and you have a perfect sports car recipe. In fact, I can only think of one other car at the time that copied Renault’s formula, and that was the Lotus Elise. Although some said it would never catch on, you couldn’t get a Spider for love nor money back in 1996 and the same would appear to be true today.
Despite its basic formula, I seize the opportunity and ponder for a moment to decide whether the misses and I would actually like spending a Sunday afternoon behind the wheel of a Sport Spider? It only takes a persuasive friend at the end of the phone to take advantage and get me to spend the £17,800 necessary to own this superb classic. Because of its location I can’t get up to see it in the metal, so to speak, and although I have never driven one before I feel as if I’m about to embark on a journey only reserved for the very privileged. A call to the current owner gets me even more intrigued so with a final push and an email containing all of documentation, I’m on the way of not only finding my original BOTW but becoming the owner of one.

With a deposit arranged, twenty four minutes after getting the original call and talking with the owner, I’m about to transfer the £1,000 down payment. Trouble is it looks like I’m too late. With the car already advertised on the internet, I’m now one of ten potentials all keen to own a piece of Renaults past. It’s confirmed, the owner has had a string of phone calls in the time it’s taken me to speak with the bank and at least two are prepared to stump up the full amount straight away.

Not only was I really excited to find one, but the dream of actually owning one seems to be teetering on a cliffs edge. The nervous call back keeps me on the edge of my seat and having spilled the beans to the other half and showed her why I’m keen to part with half of our house extension fund, my mobile rings.
It may only be a Renault but the Sport Spider is a very rare find and still remains a classic today. Losing out is a bitter pill to swallow, even more so as the summer is coming up and I could of had another show piece in the still one-car stable. Anyway, at least for half an hour I could see me (oh, and the other half) going without our extension and instead lapping up the benefits of this unique ownership experience.

At least I fulfilled one ambition: Finding a Renault Sport Spider. I think I’ll make it easier for myself next week when the quest continues for another bargain convertible.
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:29 pm


I can only think of one other car at the time that copied Renault’s formula, and that was the Lotus Elise.


I hardly think Lotus *copied* Renault :evil: They were in development at the same time and are built in very different ways.
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Postby stephendell » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:28 am

Yes but bizzarly built in different ways at the same time by the same company but with a new revolutionary construction technique for the Lotus (much to Renaults annoyance at the time allegedly)

They both have Hydro Aluminium produced chassis, but glued and riveted in the Lotus and welded in the Renault.

The glued joints only required 1.5mm section but the welded joints 3mm section.

The glued joints are supposed to be stronger but having seen pics of both in a crash the Renault frame certainly stands up better, perhaps because of the extra wall thickness.

The welded chassis is normally given as the reason for the Renault's extra weight but from the figures I have seen (& Mr Holt will probably know better) the main chassis on both cars only represents around 10% of the total weight and there is only 15kg difference between the two cars chassis weights, so a lot of that extra weight must be attributed elsewhere.

The Renault however is the more collectable (albeit due to much more limited production) and worth more than double a similar aged Elise.
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:28 am

I did quite a bit of digging on the Elise chassis for an essay a few months ago, and while the Spider was mentioned in passing (including how the chassis was heavier), no direct comparisons were made, and I don't think Lotus set out to compete with Renault.

The bonding technique was a Lotus innovation, not Hydro.

What was made clear, was that an identical join on an elise chassis member was stronger, and failed more progressively when bonded and riveted than when welded. The chassis was then constructed to make use of large join areas, and the "bathtub" chassis resulted.

They're very different cars at the end of the day. I think its perhaps more fair to compare the Spider with the 340R than the Elise.
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Postby stephendell » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:20 pm

The bonding technique was a Lotus innovation, not Hydro


AFAIK Lotus's technology was originated at least in part by its supplier, Hydro Aluminium. Hydro is credited with the discovery that aluminium extrusion can be bonded by epoxy resin if it is adequately prepared by a special chemical in the bonding surface. No doubt there was some input from the lotus engineers.

In fact Lotus later bought Holden Lightweight Structures Limited (formerly part of Hydro Aluminium) to create Lotus Lightweight Structures but not until quite recently.
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:39 pm

From what I've read and seen, it was more a collaboration between Lotus and Ciba polymers. The adhesive has actually been around for years, used in a different application. Hydro actually caused a pretty large delay in the Elise due to not getting up to speed fast enough on their production.

Nothing I've read suggests a preliminary surface treatment but I'd be interested in any new info. Almost certainly Lotus is tight-lipped about much of its technique.

This is one of the most information rich articles I've read:

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/i ... sauto.html

For interest, part of the reason there's been such a massive weight reduction in the current Jag XJ is that they're now using the Lotus bonding technique on their aluminium chassis.

Edit: Aha! you are right - from that article "The elements go through an acid etch and anodizing process prior to the adhesive being applied."

Edit 2: This is fascinating stuff too, if a bit cheesy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6318931568
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Wake me up!

Postby Tony Smith » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:38 am

Some one wake me when this thread is over yawn. Sounds like a face cream advert - the chassis glued together with polymer biospheres or something. :wink:
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Re: Wake me up!

Postby andyh877 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:52 am

Tony Smith wrote:Some one wake me when this thread is over yawn. Sounds like a face cream advert - the chassis glued together with polymer biospheres or something. :wink:


i agree.... pity the journo who wrote the article has all his figures wrong...

and if anyones so interested in looking at a bare chassis i've got 5 lying around in a unit over here near paris come for a holiday and you can spend a day looking at welds :lol:


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