Chargecooler kits

Renault & Alpine General Discussion

Moderators: eastlmark, BIG_MVS, phildini, Test Moderator, Alpineandy

User avatar
User

simontaylor

Rank

Non Member

Posts

5602

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm

Location

Fleet, Hampshire


Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 56 times

Postby simontaylor » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:04 pm

David Gentleman wrote: it will hit the rear screen, because of the long smooth radius needed of the bend..


This may not be such a problem if you race with the rear glass open a bit. Also, if you bypass the old cooler, remember that it's removal will save you a bit of weight.
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
Firsts at
2007 : Gurston Down & RAOC Champion
2008 : Rushmoor & Eelmoor & ACSMC Hillclimb class Champion
2009 : Longcross & Eelmoor
2010 : Crystal Palace & Eelmoor
2016 : Rushmoor & 5th O/A
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:35 pm

simontaylor wrote:
David Gentleman wrote: it will hit the rear screen, because of the long smooth radius needed of the bend..


This may not be such a problem if you race with the rear glass open a bit. Also, if you bypass the old cooler, remember that it's removal will save you a bit of weight.



Or at least you won't gain any with the new rad etc ......................
User avatar
User

peterg

Rank

Non Member

Posts

2501

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Location

Cumbria


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby peterg » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:16 pm

I did have the idea of a 135degree bend with a pair of straight pieces going into the chargecooler (on one end) and pipe on the other......could run this lot into the space where the intercooler was. Just dont know whether its worth the hassle???? I dont think the addition of the chargecooler is going to add much hindrance to the system. What does the intercooler weigh???
User avatar
User

Tony Smith

Rank

Non Member

Posts

1407

Joined

Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:50 pm

Location

Kent


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 19 times

Intercooler weight

Postby Tony Smith » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:46 pm

I reckon they weigh about 3 or 4 kilos. It will make the turbo lag worse if you keep both as its another restriction in the system, how much will depend on how well the chargecooler flows. How about putting another one in place of the second plenum and join them together. Run both off the same pump.
Alpines - GTA 3.0 Turbo, GTA 3.0 Inj (Project DD), GTA 6.2 V8 (500 bhp) , R32 Skyline GTR, BMW Alpina B10 635 Highline, Alpina B10 E39 5 Series, Jaguar 4.2 XKR, Laguna 205GT, BMW 120d.
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:20 pm

lol, you lot...

It wont make lag worse because the length or volume of the system hasnt been increased..

It will cause a pressure drop from turbo to throttle body due to added restriction, but not hinder spool up response, as it isnt a restriction when the air speed levels are low, only when on full boost and high revs when engine CFM is high..

:D
Image
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:25 pm

Wot you know about it :!: :lol: :lol: :lol:It won't make lag worse ,but if you bin the std intercooler it will reduce the flow length and lag . The chargecooler is twice as efficient as the std one so ..........................
User avatar
User

gt5

Rank

Non Member

Posts

594

Joined

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:35 pm

Location

york


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby gt5 » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:57 pm

even if it made lag worse i doubt you would ever notice it, my dad had a pulsar gtir and fitted a front mount kit the pipe run was loads longer but didnt really notice an increase in lag
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:35 pm

Thats right. So many people think long pipe lenghts on front mounts make lots more lag, but its a myth...

To put it into context, the 2.5 engine, at 1000rpm with a 55mm internal inlet area, the air is flowing at a minimum of 17 feet per SECOND with no boost!..so you can work out how long its going to take for the air to wizz round the extra piping ! :lol:
Image
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:48 pm

The shorter the pipe the less the lag, 17'/sec's not that fast ,I can run faster than that :lol: :lol:
User avatar
User

peterg

Rank

Non Member

Posts

2501

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Location

Cumbria


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby peterg » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:54 pm

I hope you are going to make a video of you trying to run 17 feet in 1 second.....it will be entertaining!!!!!!! :lol:
User avatar
User

simontaylor

Rank

Non Member

Posts

5602

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm

Location

Fleet, Hampshire


Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 56 times

Postby simontaylor » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:28 pm

17 feet per sec,
for me that is 17 x 60 sec x 60 min x 12 inches x 2.54 cm =768,096 cm/sec
or 18.6kmh approx 11.7 mph (is that right?). lee, if correct,you should be OK.

BUT , when on-boost, i'd guess it is a very different story????
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
Firsts at
2007 : Gurston Down & RAOC Champion
2008 : Rushmoor & Eelmoor & ACSMC Hillclimb class Champion
2009 : Longcross & Eelmoor
2010 : Crystal Palace & Eelmoor
2016 : Rushmoor & 5th O/A
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:38 pm

peterg wrote:I hope you are going to make a video of you trying to run 17 feet in 1 second.....it will be entertaining!!!!!!! :lol:


It's a sub 20 sec 100 M :lol: :lol:
Carl Lewis would do it twice 8)
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:41 pm

simontaylor wrote:17 feet per sec,
for me that is 17 x 60 sec x 60 min x 12 inches x 2.54 cm =768,096 cm/sec
or 18.6kmh approx 11.7 mph (is that right?). lee, if correct,you should be OK.

BUT , when on-boost, i'd guess it is a very different story????


At 2000rpm, its around 36 feet per second, at 2500 and 2 psi of boost 60 feet per second....

And just for finishing, at 5750rpm, 14psi of boost 258 feet per second!
Image
User avatar
User

simontaylor

Rank

Non Member

Posts

5602

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm

Location

Fleet, Hampshire


Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 56 times

Postby simontaylor » Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:41 am

WOW, that turbo must be very effective !!!
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
Firsts at
2007 : Gurston Down & RAOC Champion
2008 : Rushmoor & Eelmoor & ACSMC Hillclimb class Champion
2009 : Longcross & Eelmoor
2010 : Crystal Palace & Eelmoor
2016 : Rushmoor & 5th O/A
User avatar
User

simonsays74

Rank

Non Member

Posts

1296

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:12 pm

Location

Belfast (££££ Zone!!)


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby simonsays74 » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:38 am

LOOK, quit with all the idle chit chat and get the charge cooler fitted to a car and get rolling road results posted up with and without the inter cooler.

JOB DONE :?
PreviousNext


  • Advertisement

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 215 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | Renault' and 'Alpine' are trademarks of Renault S.A.S. or its subsidiaries and are used with kind permission of Renault France