GTA Lighting relays

Hi - having some dim/dip main beam problems. Replaced the switch/stalk (no joy) so suspect wiring/relays. Renault have quoted ~ GBP35 for the (pink ?) dim dip relay made by Lucas (and it's not in stock). Anyone know the Lucas part no or where I could get it ?

Have ordered a relay from Renualt as I want to get this done at the weekend - but they won't say if it will be 2, 5, or 10 days. Great. Still - any advice on relays for gta could be useful for future use as I probably paid over the odds, and could have got one quicker elsewhere ?

WHEN YOU HAVE CURED YOUR POBLEM LET ME KNOW I ALSO HAVE THE SAME TROUBLE WITH DIP &MAIN BEAM

ALPINEROB

Try taking out the relay, removing the cover and re-soldering where the main connectors join onto the little circuit board inside. I found that the there was a broken joint inside mine that was causing problems - presumably just due to vibration over the years. It was causing a buzzing noise when the lights were on and the car was moving but the lights weren't affected because the dim-dip resistor had a broken wire - fixed that at the same time.

Hopefully you'll not need to rely on Renault's trusty back-order system. I waited 3 months for an inidcator flasher relay and then eventually cured the old one by cleaning and gently bending the contacts.

[stephendell]

If you're not too far from London. I've always found Lewisham Auto Electrics to be the most helpful with things like this.

They only do automotive electricals and are Bosch & Valeo agents.

328-332 Lee High Road
London
SE13 5PJ
United Kingdom

Tel: (020) 8852 3411
Fax: (020) 8318 1156

THANKS STEVEN
I KNOW LEWISHAM VERY WELL I LIVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS BEFORE MOVING TO HASTINGS MY ALPINE COME FROM EAST DULWICH.
STILL NOT ON THE ROAD YET LAST I HEARD THE WIRING FOR THE TEMP GAUGE &OIL PRESSURE NEEDED SORTING OUT. THE LIGHTS NEED TO BE DONE FOR THE MOT.
MAYBE IT WILL BE READY FOR CHRISTMAS

ALPINEROB

Wished I'd paid more attention in physics at school....never any good with electrics. Replaced the 'dipped beam intensity reducing relay' (once I'd found it) but no improvement. Narrowed it down (I think) to continuity problem between relay and 'intensity reducing' resistor - but ran out of time to go further. So far spent 90 quid and a couple of hours upside down without any progress - brilliant. (I think a trip to the autoelectrician may be in order !!)

Managed to get the full beam to turn off now correctly. Tested continuity everywhere - no obvious problems. In doing so fault has gone - dodgy contact somewhere. Not very satisfying when you don't find out the exact root cause !!. The fault went after I tried disconnecting lamps one at a time to see if the 'fault' moved. Wire 194 I think was the little blighter - but am just guessing.....what may be useful is the following (I highlighted the wire colours to help troubleshoot....):

Looks great - I don't suppose there's any chance you could go through the entire wiring manual and do the same? Only joking of course but it would be a worthwhile thing to do if we could share the load amongst a few members. I've got separate jpgs of each page - there are 200+ but only 50 or so of the diagrams like the one you used. I guess there will also be different versions for each year but do they really differ that much?

Incidentally - I'm not exactly sure what the problem was that you solved? Were you getting full dipped beam rather than dim-dip when on sidelights or was it something entirely different?

[stephendell]

Very nice

Unfortunately there are significant differences between the diagrams for different model years, so a lot of work to colour code them all.

However mine's a late car with Dim-Dip, so happy for Dave to continue with the diagrams he's already started!

Easy for the dash though. Whose crazy idea was it to wire all the instrument multiplugs in yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow & err...yellow

Hi mitchella - I thought my problem was fixed but has now reappeared this evening. I had driven for an hour of switching between dipped/main and then the additional driver lamps would not swtich off. (had to stop by the roadside and disconnect the additional driving lamps.).

Original Problem....
Side, (side + dim - with ign on), and dipped worked o.k.
Main beam goes on o.k. Problem was that you could not switch main beam off. (without turning off the lights - and switching back on - scary stuff)

Current problem
Additional driver lamps stay on all the time when you have dipped. When I disconnected the additional driving lamps the headlamps do go between dipped and main beam o.k. (but the blue warning lamp is on in both cases)

It does point to a problem with the switching of the full beam. At the very beginning I had swapped the relay labelled 248 (as it is the same as some others - I probably never needed to replace the dim-dip relay). It's those brown wires I know it is....

If anyone has seen this type of problem before let me know Suspect I need professional help, and a visit to the autoelectrician.

Are you 100% sure that all of the earthing points are OK. My elementary knowledge of electronics leads me to think that a current must be coming back from the main lamps via wire 194 to the coil of the relay, keeping it energised. Given that it happened after you have switched on the high beam, I would suspect that it is somehow leaking back from the auxiliary lamps, through the main lamps (wire 52 or 12) via the common earth which is perhaps not earthed. Check that junctions 289 and 274 have good earth and that there is no voltage at the lamp ends of wires 52 & 12 when dipped beam is on. If there is - check the earth wire to see if that is the source, either from the auxiliary or the side light.

Have you tried seeing what happens when you disconnect the main lamps? Do the auxiliaries work correctly then? Its a long shot but it might be a bulb where the high beam filament has broken and is now touching against the dip beam filament and feeding back enough current to work the relay.

Hi,

Just wondered if you had managed to solve this problem as I have exactly the same situation with my 1995 Savanna and it is driving me mad!!

Thanks

High Beam problem on my GTA.
On the Left hand stalk.....Indicators are all ok, as is the Horn.
For night time driving.... the side lights are ok, the main lights are ok, BUT when I pull the stalk for High Beam, firstly there is no longer a "click" and secondly the High beam lights do not come on.

For day time driving, If I need to "Flash" .....when I pull the stalk, the High bean will flash on.

I am suspecting the stalk..... because the "click" is no longer there at all.

I took the unit off, but it is constructed with some rivets and I'm not yet keen to pull it apart. I was guessing I could replace the long rivets with a long bolt and a nut..... but who only knows what is inside the unit in the way for springs etc etc.

Any one got a spare stalk the "clicks" that I could try... or buy?

Many thanks in advance.....

I had this problem once it turned out to be a bad earth at the junction on the passenger side