Chargecooler kits

Renault & Alpine General Discussion

Moderators: eastlmark, BIG_MVS, phildini, Test Moderator, Alpineandy

User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:06 pm

steveatyork wrote:Any idea what sort of charge temps i should expect to see before the CC and interccoler? Just fitted two thermocouples before the CC and after the intercooler, just wondering whats norm & max :roll: should have it working to,oz if the sun keeps shining 8)


Charge temps before depend on too much, turbo, boost pressure etc.. Basically you should be seeing 10-15 degrees above ambient after the CC.
Image
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:01 pm

Cheers for the reply Dave, it was more out of curiosity re the charge temps before the cc or/and intercooler, suppose ill know soon :wink: The T2 isnt going to be pushed to hard until its been on the dyno, what's the norm max charge temps i would want to see before trouble, i am presuming that they are going to be above 10-15 deg above ambient running 15-16 psi :?
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:28 pm

No, you should be seeing 10-15 above ambient. There is no 'ideal' temp, you want it as low as possible, preferably below 40c..
Image
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:26 pm

:twisted: :evil: Any tips for bleading the CC :x its all piped up and filled with red antifreze mix, half of its over the engine :evil: what a pain trying to blead it, all the clear lines will fill up nice n red then the pump will start gurgling n the return from the cc will half empty :roll:
Any ideas lads for tomorrows attempt :?:
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

peterg

Rank

Non Member

Posts

2501

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Location

Cumbria


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby peterg » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:44 pm

I had a bleed valve fitted to mine to help (never got the chance in the end!).........but having the CC on its side with the filler as far above it as you can will help. I certainly couldnt get mine anything like filled with it attached to the boost hoses. It is a pain......bleed valve will make it easy!
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:24 pm

:evil: :evil: Still strugling :twisted: Just wondering if the plumbing on the hoses sounds right :?

From the pump out - straight up to the exp tank (Which is higher then the rad and cc) out of the exp tank to the bottom of the rad, rad out top with the hose to the cc then the cc back to the pump :?

just had a couple of hrs trying to sort it with no luck, it seems to be getting a lot of air in the cc to pump hose :roll:

:twisted: :twisted:
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

peterg

Rank

Non Member

Posts

2501

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Location

Cumbria


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby peterg » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:24 pm

I used to pressure fill mine to help get any air pockets in the pipes out.......garden hose pipe directly into the water pipes. It was a bit messy first time I tried it, but after a bit of practice I managed to stay dry!
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:52 pm

Just tried that Peter, managed to get a right soaking :evil: and still no joy, As anyone on here managed to get there system fully sorted? just thinking with your post peter when you mentioned you was going to fit a bleed valve :?: just about ran out of ideas now :? tried holding the header tank up really high, the hose connected, blowing into the tank which does somthing as well as giving me a mouthfull of antifreeze :cry:
Just a little worried what Noble had said to GT5, they thought the system could do with a more powerful pump :shock: :?: with it been a long run :roll:
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

simontaylor

Rank

Non Member

Posts

5602

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm

Location

Fleet, Hampshire


Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 56 times

Postby simontaylor » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:55 pm

I do not find any problems with air in the system or even to bleed it.
I use a simple "tee" piece to fill and bleed the system. It was filled and bleed after the winter when the engine was put back in and I bleed it again just before Prescott, probably 1,000 miles of running and only had to replace about an inch of water into my filler tube.

All I do is loosen the CC and rotate it 90 degrees, also it help a bit to raise 1 end and give it a little shake to hekp the bubbles out. It is true to say that any small amount of air will allways collect in the CC.

This is the normal installation, since which I have cut down the filler tube from about 1.2meters to about 20 cms.
Image

And this is the system bleeding itself.
Image

Job done in about 5 minutes.
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
Firsts at
2007 : Gurston Down & RAOC Champion
2008 : Rushmoor & Eelmoor & ACSMC Hillclimb class Champion
2009 : Longcross & Eelmoor
2010 : Crystal Palace & Eelmoor
2016 : Rushmoor & 5th O/A
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:04 pm

You will have to get the CC inlet/outlet pointing vertical as Simon says .
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:33 pm

Both the inlet and outlet on the CC are vertical all of the time, just thinking if the hoses could be the prob under the car? the pump is sat low in the boot floor below the rad and cc but the hoses are running a bit lower then the pump? what do you reckon?saying that it will be dificult for them not to be :roll:
Might try a T near the CC Tomorrow and see if that helps,
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:46 pm

The hoses being lower won't matter ,neither will the pump power .You need to fill it at a higher point than the bleed point and that should be it .You have got the pump the right way round ?????Where's your rad at in the system ?
no avatar
User

spryboy1974

Rank

Club Member

Club Member
Posts

187

Joined

Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:34 pm

Location

Devon


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby spryboy1974 » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:45 pm

After relocating my header tank to the engine bay,(due to the abs pump),i haven't had any probs with my system at all.
I don't even need any kind of bleed Tee in the system to get the air out!

My system goes - header tank at the highest point,going to the pre-rad,pump and CC.
One tip i would recommend is that when you fill the header tank put a bit of tubing down the outlet side and only fill that side because if you just top the tank up you will be putting pressure on the inlet side and this is where the pump struggles.
The return on the tank should really be above the point of the outlet,but as this isn't so it makes the bleeding alot more difficult!!! :twisted:
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:39 pm

Does this set-up look somthing like :shock: everything up front with the exception of the CC :roll:
[img][img]http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/leylandracer/headercc.jpg[/img][/img]
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
User avatar
User

steveatyork

Rank

Non Member

Posts

369

Joined

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:16 pm

Location

York,UK


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby steveatyork » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:45 pm

:oops: Going blind as well as mad :evil: cargecooler,punp :oops: hope the somthing like dia makes some sense. i have a feeling a couple of bleed valves are on the cards :?
Renault Spider, Marcos Mantis, TR6...
PreviousNext


  • Advertisement

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 175 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | Renault' and 'Alpine' are trademarks of Renault S.A.S. or its subsidiaries and are used with kind permission of Renault France