RAOC Proving Day 2 - Confirmed 30/11/07

[Alpineandy]

OK Cool and damp, and they were correct!

Andy, your idea of cool and damp is obviously different to mine. It didnt rain and it wasnt cold FACT.
...and it was the last day of November after all.

I'm sorry, I hadn't realise that 'Damp' actually meant 'Rain'
I though Damp didn't actually need rain, A bit like the day!

And I didn't see you in your shirt sleeves

You feel the cold more in your dotage
A few were huddled round my glowing turbo towards the end ..........................

I would just like to say, Stephen Dell invited me to Bruntingthorpe as the previous owner of the 400GT refused to have any speed tests carried out on the car.
I am not disappointed with the results. The 400GT more than lives up to my expectations and i am very proud to be the current owner.
I am not sure whether i will attend the next one but Dorian, the owner of a 400 Trophy (chassis 34) is more than happy to oblige.


Keith

superb news

here's a few photos by Leethe owner of the red Megane RS 225 Cup





























thanks for the photos Lee we're waiting for the next instalment

Get some Renault 5's down next time, that'll up the ante..

till they run out of gearing at 120 Bye Bye

I stick to a proper car LOL

Get some Renault 5's down next time, that'll up the ante..

till they run out of gearing at 120 Bye Bye

I stick to a proper car LOL

Hmm It does over 125mph in only a quarter of a mile...



And in action...

http://www.rtoc.org/library/fileroot/CJ ... RJSNTN.wmv

This is the engine we should be putting into GTA's...

Get some Renault 5's down next time, that'll up the ante..

till they run out of gearing at 120 Bye Bye

I stick to a proper car LOL

Hmm It does over 125mph in only a quarter of a mile...



And in action...

http://www.rtoc.org/library/fileroot/CJ ... RJSNTN.wmv

This is the engine we should be putting into GTA's...

Mmmmmm didnt read all the posts LOL even so built for qtr miles there has to be so much more to driving than just going in a straight line (Torque steer dont count LOL)

I wonder if it still does corners being built for the 1/4??? is it one of these fives with 0.5 a meter of excess track sticking out of the body work either side?

Is the chassis balanced like it used to be or does it understeer like a FKCK PIG LOLOLOLOL

I hope some 5's do turn up lets see if they all do 0-60 in 4 Seconds Reality is a great leveller, and if so how many times will they do it before blowing up PMSL

Steves magic machine seems pretty accurate and an increase of 37 BHP over standard is great. 0 - 60 7.2 2up and slightly up hill. and a change to 3rd. 0 - 60 what does that represent with some cars changing others not, even with slower 0 - 60 due to not being able to put the power down I still had a terminal speed of 94 MPH same a some of the GTA's running. so if only I could put the power down at the start I'd have the GTA's licked LOL

so its not all about 0-60 is it

R21 Turbo, best buy value for money bang for bucks on the road.
Built for GO not for SHOW

No offence meant to R5 owners its just that over the years thats all we ever see featured in mags Reason cos most of the Boy racers like it for performance and for kits available etc including horns and teeth and kits that make em look like japanese mobiles I'm a Mitzi Evo wanna be LOL.

Its nice to see something Different

si21 Q Phildini ( Phil I had my fingers crossed behind my back when posting does not include the fastest 5 in the world)

Its not built for quarter miles (whatever that means) Its simply a nicely put together car, with a decent engine.

Handling and 1/4 mile not possible Simon..?

Im sure Andy Cooke pulled an 11.5 out of the bag, oh and happened to hold the lap record at Curborough sprint course too

Steves magic machine seems pretty accurate and an increase of 37 BHP over standard is great. 0 - 60 7.2 2up and slightly up hill. and a change to 3rd. 0 - 60 what does that represent with some cars changing others not, even with slower 0 - 60 due to not being able to put the power down I still had a terminal speed of 94 MPH same a some of the GTA's running. so if only I could put the power down at the start I'd have the GTA's licked LOL

so its not all about 0-60 is it

Indeed, hence why the terminal speeds on the quarter are the most accurate representation of power. Doesnt matter about gearchanges, wheelspin etc..

I have friends with Sunny's that can pull low 3 second 0-60s, but only pull around 10 seconds to 100.

Likewise an EvoFQ400 can pull low mid 3's and pull around 9 seconds to 100 which is pretty good for an off the shelf road car.

But neither of them pull 11 second quarter miles.

0-60 is all about traction and launch, terminal speeds aren't.

R21 Turbo, best buy value for money bang for bucks on the road.
Built for GO not for SHOW

Ohh I beg to differ ......................GTA ,3k ,built for Go and Show
face it the 21's no looker is it now

Its not built for quarter miles (whatever that means) Its simply a nicely put together car, with a decent engine.

Handling and 1/4 mile not possible Simon..?

Im sure Andy Cooke pulled an 11.5 out of the bag, oh and happened to hold the lap record at Curborough sprint course too

In have spent some time at Avon and the Pod and have seen some cars where the front track is almost doubled and I was wondering if this car was one of those, with the wheels sticking out by 10" each side if so does it go round corners? Does it still handle with that lump in the front?

In all honesty though put a big capacity engine in any small car it gonna shift.With as much power as a modern 4 WD japanese mobile its gotta shift what ever way you look at it. Well done to the guy for shoe horning it in to that size bay.Yes its extremely rapid, i am not trying to take any credit away.

Most cars get set up for what ever disapline they are doing different tyres different suspension rates and settings and different settings wet or dry.
so this car could well be set up for quarter mile and not really handle. Lets face it the 1.9 pug 205 was quicker than the 1.6, but it was a well known fact that for handling the 1.6 was preferred.

So does that lump at the front spoil the handling, maybe not if it holds course record at Curboro' or maybe its just si quick in a straight line it does not need to handle?

I was just wondering to what lengths the constructor went to to make it pull 11 seconds for the 1/4 and if there were any trade offs for getting that time .

@the end of the day you put a powerful enough engine in any car that ways nothing it gone shift. In all honesty lets see how quick a 5 is with power plant that Reno gave it???

My 21 is a great reliable road car, I just happen to think I should drive it like stole it. Its got nothing special done to it less than some of the more modified GTA's. At the end of the day terminal speed at the Qtr mile being similar to bigger engined turbo charged vehicles who are rear wheel drive purpose built sports cars just shows how dam quick my car is once it has grip and with 0.2 cd MORE than a GTA

Zorst filter and Chip AND ONLY 4 psi not a racing car does that make. So to take a formula1 of a Renault 5 and go see I told you so is not impressive in my book. Bring a road going 5 down with modest mods and lets see. A R5 with a reliable 170BHP (Guestimated) LOL and see what times that does ........???? in the real world I would be interested to see.

All of the GTAs that have been timed are not producing more than my 21 Turbo even with or without Stand alone the most this going to do is optimise the standard specification.

We have yet to see a PRV in a GTA in turbo format with proper engine mods liners, pistons heads cams or any kind of improved manifolding.

The Venturis have the Modern answer how ever cost a fortune to maintain and rebuild and thats if you can get hold of one. But at the end makes massive twin turbo'd power.

Again to dump a big turbo'd engined into a Renault roller skate and then go look at what a 5 can do by comparison makes me larf

I am not disputing the fact that the 5 is quick but you dont compare a touring car with a purpose built single seater do you?

Dave man Keep the Colchester Massive real innit All the cars are just tweeked road cars with the exception of Andy Holts road spider.

Si21:lol:

All of the GTAs that have been timed are not producing more than my 21 Turbo even with or without Stand alone the most this going to do is optimise the standard specification.

Again I beg to differ

it's not all about the 1/4 mile now is it...... brunters it 2 miles long
i admit.... i aint no drag raca.....

my car is built for comfortable but quick road use and it fits the bill....i'm not in it for big horsepower bling competition.....

we've already got an RX7 which covers that base

looks like the beast above is a beast but i'd like to see it max out and make it round the corner at the bottom at brunters.... without rolling over...

has it got a burburry interior to match?

if i want megga off the line grunt and megga top speed i'll bolt a rotrex onto the race car engine......simple

why did they p1ss arround bolting a turbo to a 172/182 lump..... seems a bit silly when there is an F4RT just sitting there already which will do the same job

All of the GTAs that have been timed are not producing more than my 21 Turbo even with or without Stand alone the most this going to do is optimise the standard specification.

Again I beg to differ

How much have you spent on stand alone and mapping ......let me see Exhaust £350 my exhaust £150 Standalone £450 my chip £100 Your Turbo £ 400 - 700 my turbo came with car, your chargecooler £500 -600 My intercoolers standard came with car.
Induction kit £100 Mine Standard came with car airfilter £50 or sixty my airfilter 10 notes second hand oh I got a £2.50 bleed Valve I produced 212 BHP so after all your outlay on bolt on goodies how much extra power did you make over me Oh and I have not mentioned mapping time LOL

Lee my car cost £1000 pound ok I put a new engine in from Reno but its standard and I you cant get one built cheaper than you could buy one from Renault so thats £2200 + £265 = £2465

Your non standard parts come to at my approximation about £2,250 + £3000 for the car

My car came to £215 more than your bolt ons plus the cost of your car, my car overall with new engine and only 13 to 18 BHP less yours (so far ) has cost you twice as much not including at least a grands worth of rolling road to be added to get how much more for over twice the money is your car twice as quick? ...........

............No it isnt so bang for bucks twice as nice and nobody wants to nick it either

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Thats why I bought a GTA too 21 Turbo Reigns Supreme quickest shed money can buy

Si21 and i love it for that reason

Get some Renault 5's down next time, that'll up the ante..

till they run out of gearing at 120 Bye Bye

I stick to a proper car LOL

Got anything with corners it was about as interesting as the M1

Thats cheating Ive got all my interior and sound deadening no wonder his car is quicker than mine And there was me thinking my reliable but quick road car was being compared on an even playing Field LOL

Si21 wouldnt like an accident in that LOL end up like a sardine in can just add source