RAOC+RTOC 20+ Car Convoy To WSR Nurburgring 18,19,20 Sep

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Postby mellowyellowa610 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:16 pm

I'm actually going to the 'Ring a few days before you guys and have just seen this information regarding a change in policing in Germany with regards to modified cars. Basically all modifications need to be TUV approved. Might not affect you but worth a read.


Police at the new Nürburgring are promising to be stricter with all Visitors who flout Germany rules for vehicles, starting this August onwards!

A NEW crackdown has been launched by the RheinlandPfalz Police, in and around the Nürburgring region. Police are sending out a message to all Visitors that their vehicles will be seized and vehicles may be impounded (at additional cost to you, of course) if their owners do not have the correct “original” documentation. In addition, a range of many popular UK vehicle modifications has been identified and judged to be unsafe for driving around the Eifel area and also the Nürburgring.

Driving in Germany is normally a complete pleasure as the roads are in excellent condition and the German drivers are well-trained and cooperative. The German autobahns are famous for being some of the few public roads in the world without blanket speed limits for cars and motorcycles. Although, Visitors should also be aware that with the high alcohol content of German social beverages, it doesn't take long to hit the low alcohol limit. Everything is fine – just as long as you follow the rules.

One very popular destination for us Brits is the Nürburgring, simply known as "The Ring" by enthusiasts. It can be classed as a normal road in Germany, or a motorsport race track, depending on whom you speak to. It is open to anyone with a road legal car or motorcycle and also a few euro in their pocket to pay for the road toll.

Nürburgmotorsport recognised the growth of English speaking visitors and so the new company was set up two years ago by British owner Ken Harris. The aim is to provide a wide range of support services to Visitors from the UK and all parts world, where speaking English is popular. As a well known local company regular meetings are held with all the main authorities in the area.

Ken Harris explains more, “I meet up today with Herr Linden – Polizeiinspektion Adenau (Chief Constable) as part of ongoing discussion for my project named Open Road (Projekt Freie Fahrt). This aims to promote “Best Practice” for Visitors to the Nurburgring. We discussed amongst other topics the New Ring Damage Insurance which my company offers and also the details of the accompanying mandatory, Visual Vehicle Inspection.

“I must say it was a bit of a shock to learn that the rules will be strictly applied and there is now a full collection of Police photographs showing items on vehicles which are judged to be dangerous. Not all, but many of which affect UK cars and the Police intend to enforce these rules starting in August and have asked me to inform the UK Press.

“So having your vehicle approved at a UK MOT centre may not now be enough to satisfy these much stricter locally applied rules and you need to keep with you the original car documentation, because any photocopies are not accepted,” continues Ken Harris – British owner of Nürburgmotorsport UG.

The Vehicle Inspection is now being hurriedly updated and will include advice and assistance so as to comply with the latest Police rules and regulations, as part of the Visitor Support only available from Nürburgmotorsport UG and other appointed approved garages.

By permission of the RheinlandPfalz Police the photographs pertaining to UK cars can be seen at the following website location:-

Further clarification from Ken Harris at the 'Ring

The German TUV (their version of the MOT) means that everything on the German car needs to have been approved by the authorities. For instance, I guess you know the metal covers which some car enthusiasts cover the brake clutch and accelerator pedals with? To pass the TUV you need to show a certificate that comes with such an after market products so the TUV inspector can see it is an approved modification, other such things as tyre, their sizes, tow bars all need TUV valid papers or it does not pass the TUV.

I am awaiting a full list of Police photos to publish on my website (which does NOT include these metal pedals) for what they do not want to see on all visitors cars. Some common mods will effect UK cars. These photos will be shown on my website so visitors can check before they come out. We also can provide help if people are unsure.....

also NO photocopies of any car documents are accepted and it is best to have them with you. I was stopped some time ago, no papers in my car, kept at my house in Germany, like we all do in the UK. But here in Germany the drivers always have their details with them. The Police officer wanted to keep my Sat nav until I returned to the road side check with the correct papers. I explained that if he took my sat nav i may not be able to find the location again--we agreed he would hold my leather jacket instead----a bit different from the UK!

The Nurburgring GmbH have spent 315 million euro on all new faclitites take a look at the video on their website!

What about race harness instead of original 3-point belts? these are OK

NO oversized wheels unless they are covered within the body work - true slicks (ie NO TREAD) are not allowed
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Postby baldrick » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:35 pm

do these tuv rules apply mainly to newer or modified cars

or does the older classic car also fall into the same group.

i know in the uk the mot is a lot stricter on new cars than older
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Postby mellowyellowa610 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:00 am

I don't actually think it applies to us so long as we have a valid UK MOT certificate. How can they apply a German TUV ruling on us when our cars are not tested by TUV? As I say, I think it may be a little scaremongering from the German authorities but may be worth a little extra investigation.
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Postby simontaylor » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:00 pm

and probably to keep outragously poorly modified cars off the Ring.
So long as we are sensible, i guess we will be fine.
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Postby stephendell » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:53 pm

I got this message today so I'm assuming we are all OK!!

Hallo,
vielen Dank für die Anmeldung.

bis September.
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By the way I booked 10 places for RAOC and we only have 9 signed up so there is one more space available if someone wants it!
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Postby bigstevet » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:25 pm

Nice one!! 8) :wink:
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Postby stephendell » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:14 pm

FINAL LIST (RAOC CARS)

1. DELL, Stephen A610
2. GARNER, Mark Clio V6 230
3. SMITH, Tony GTA Turbo
4. TAYLOR, Simon GTA Turbo
5. LAW, Tony GTA Turbo
6. WICKS, Mark Clio V6 255
7. ROMBAUT, Paul R11 Turbo
8. KENTISH, Steve GTA Atmo
9. BEST, Simon Clio v6 230
10. TBC

We have just one space remaining and I have to give details this week.

Let me know ASAP if you are interested.
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Postby davieuk » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:02 pm

FINAL LIST (RAOC CARS)

1. DELL, Stephen A610
2. GARNER, Mark Clio V6 230
3. SMITH, Tony GTA Turbo
4. TAYLOR, Simon GTA Turbo
5. LAW, Tony GTA Turbo
6. WICKS, Mark Clio V6 255
7. ROMBAUT, Paul R11 Turbo
8. KENTISH, Steve GTA Atmo
9. BEST, Simon Clio v6 230
10.SCARLETT david Clio v6 255

booked the same hotel thanks stephen
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Postby bigstevet » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:59 pm

Right then Campers.... Lets sort out meeting up for the ferry on Friday 18th for those sailing from Dover.

I think we should meet at the Ashford Tesco's car park at 4:40am leaving at 4:50am PROMPT then convoy down to Dover & try & get into the same loading lane for the ship.

The Address of the Tesco's is:

ASHFORD CROOKSFOOT EXTRA,
HYTHE ROAD,
ASHFORD,
KENT,
TN24 0YE

If you're not at the Tesco's for 4:50am then we'll see you at Norfolkine Dover!
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Postby simontaylor » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:01 pm

Suits me fine, I will be fuelling up at:
Shell Ashford
35 North Street
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TN24 8LQ.
Last stop for V-power and cheap too.

And for Europe, I think we need "Hi Viz vests" ???
buy now on eBay, 'cos they will be expensive at the port.
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Postby mettersl » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:52 pm

Ikea have hi-vis vests too- and a bargain compared to the channel ferry operators, I think I paid £1-2 vs- £8-10. You need to keep them in the car not the boot to be legal too.

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Postby andyh877 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:14 am

it's law now to have a hi viz in your car in France and you can be on the spot fined if caught without, they sell them everywhere now.... poundshop is probably the best place to buy one
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Postby baldrick » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:46 pm

between me and paul we will have a few tools (these wont be needed but always good to take)

and i will have a couple of hi-viz jackets (they will have AA on the back but dont think that will be a problem) :D :D
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Postby simontaylor » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:16 pm

Is it just 1 jacket per car, or 1 jacket per person, wheather they stay in the car or get out?
What about bulbs, triangles, GB stickers and other "safety" stuff, we are supposed to carry ?
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Postby JohnC » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:35 pm

Is it just 1 jacket per car, or 1 jacket per person, wheather they stay in the car or get out?
What about bulbs, triangles, GB stickers and other "safety" stuff, we are supposed to carry ?

One jacket per person, in case you all have to get out for safety, which must be available to put on before getting out of the car, (preferably on show to save you being pulled over for checking) bulb set, Red Triangle (2 in Spain and I think Italy) First Aid Kit, Fire Exttinguisher, and some form of GB, nowdays incorprated into the Number Plate, if not, a sticker.
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