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Classic Cars August 2009 article

Postby Tim Moores » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:50 pm

Classic Cars August 2009 had an article about the A110.
The general structure of the article was pretty good and the shots of Liane and Jeff's car were pretty nice but there were several errors of detail about Alpine and the A110 and the advice that had been given to Classic Cars about owning an A110 was rather slanted towards high spend rather than reality.

I wrote to the magazine to try to get a bit of balance but so far nothing has been published and this is what I wrote:

Dear Editor

Thanks for a good article about the Alpine A110 in your issue of August 2009. You really got across the wide range of variants and the essence of the A110 Berlinette and I would offer a few additional pieces of information about these fabulous cars.

The Certificat de Dépôt d’Acte was issued by the Tribunal de Commerce de la Seine on 6 July 1955 that recognised the official foundation of Société des Automobiles Alpine on 22 June of that year. The first road test of an Alpine A106, by Andre Costa, appeared in the 15 November 1955 edition of l’Auto Journal and it was in 1956 that series production began at Dieppe rather than 1958 as stated in the article.

The 956cc A110 Berlinette Tour de France was actually launched at the Paris Salon in October 1962 not in 1963. It was listed with a 5-speed gearbox as standard and was priced at 16,650 F. but production cars had a 4-speed gearbox.

The quality of the original build fibreglass is actually very good as compared with other cars of a similar era and compares favourably with some more modern cars. Panel fit is also extremely good if you look at the shut lines on cars that have not been modified or repaired.

All the nominal 1600cc cars had a 5-speed gearbox as standard.

The gearchange is sometimes criticised but the connection from the lever to the gearbox is actually a direct line and replacing the two rubber items that are used to connect the long shaft from the base of the lever to the selector shaft of the gearbox, 3 Euros each, makes a big difference. As does simply lubricating the gearlever pivot ball and making sure that the bushes at the bottom of the lever are in good condition and that the bolt at the bottom of the lever is clamping the stirrup properly. You really don't need to spend £180 on a rose-joint pivot for the gear lever to improve gear selection.

Mr Rabbets suggests a budget of up to £2,000 per year to keep an A110 up to scratch but also says that a service is £230. If you have someone reputable doing the servicing and unless you are doing very large mileages or subjecting the car to a lot of very hard work it is difficult to see why the additional £1,700 + per annum would be needed. I would doubt if the average owner would get anywhere near such a high annual outlay even including insurance.

The competition brakes for the 1600cc cars were not solely from the Renault 16 but were actually a mix of Renault 16 at the front and Matra Bagheera/Murena at the rear and the handbrake, when in good condition, is self adjusting and so does not need a specialist to set it up. The competition braking system also used a master cylinder of larger diameter than had been fitted for the original brakes.

The listing of the different models has omitted the 1500 that was produced between 1966 and late 1968. It had the 82 hp 1470cc engine from the Renault R16 which was physically larger than the 1300cc engines and required the radiator to be moved to the front of the car; this was the case for all 1600cc cars. It was not a success and only 44 were produced of which 3 were supplied to the Gendarmerie Nationale.

The 1605cc engine from the A310 was fitted to the swing-axle 1600 S from mid-1972 and it wasn’t until 1974 that the A310’s double wishbone rear suspension was fitted and the 1600 SC and 1600 SI variants were introduced. The power output quoted by Alpine for the "1600 SC" was 140 bhp SAE and for the "1600 SI" was 145 bhp SAE. The 1565cc cars were homologated at 650 kg and the 1605cc cars are listed at 710 kg.

You give the weight range as being from 545 kg to 650 kg but the homologated weights actually range from 540 kg for the competition variant of the 1963 "A110-950 Mignotet" up to the 790 kg of the 1600 SX.

Another favourite modification for the 1300cc cars, particularly the Version 85, is to fit an engine based on the components of the Renault 5 or Renault 5 Turbo that can provide around 110 hp, or more, quite reliably when fitted with a pair of twin-choke carburettors and a good exhaust system.

Production of the A110 Berlinette came to an end at Dieppe in July 1977 but production of the A110-1400 continued in Spain until May 1978.

Pity that Classic Cars didn't get the article proofed to confirm the Alpine information.

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Postby stephendell » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:20 pm

Pity that Classic Cars didn't get the article proofed to confirm the Alpine information


Hi Tim, (nice to see you here by the way!)

As is always the case they never seem to do this. I don't know why but the journo's always seem to insist on doing all their own research, invariably referring back to previous earlier issues of the same magazine or another from the same publishing house so any errors get repeated ad infinitum, or made worse like Chinese whispers. For whatever reason they like to retain 'ownership' of the article and almost seem to take offence if you offer to check or proof read.

We find this just as annoying as I'm sure you do, the thing is I guess they are often writing to the 'general' public who don't normally notice these detail errors and just want to get a general flavour of the car. It's usually only when someone has actually bought one that they get more concerned with the accuracy.

Also when journalists contact independent specialists they will tend to take their word as verbatim even when opinions differ even on something as simple as servicing costs. These conversations are often over the phone, with notes taken in haste and the specialists themselves are sometimes suprised as to what has been written and attributed to their name.

I think in the dozens of articles that I have offered snippets of info or even just pictures for I can think of only one recently where the journalist took the time to submit the article for proof reading and even then there were still one or two corrections that were ignored for whatever reason. Seems we marque specialists don't always know best.

One of the most annoying for us was a buyers guide specifically for the GTA Le Mans which was constantly referred to as an A610 throught the article. When we mentioned this later to the author the response was along the lines of 'well they're all the same really any way aren't they' :roll:

When judged against that sort of criteria I don't think they did too badly in Classic Cars, at least they got the model right!

I'd like to think that the more highbrow or more prestigious the article the more accurate the research but that doesn't always seem to be the case!

I would even suggest that sometimes magazines take offence to detailed analysis of their research.

I guess we will always have to accept that there are going to be some errors in article like these. Certainly whenever I read one I know it's just a matter of time before I will come across something that's 'wrong'.

I think it's fair to say that I don't think anyone has such an encyclopaedic knowledge of the history of the Berlinette in the UK as yourself.

At the end of the day it's just a magazine article not a reference work, that's where you should come in...

Have you though about writing a book on the A110 that could be used as a reference source for the future:D
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Postby stephendell » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:26 pm

...the advice that had been given to Classic Cars about owning an A110 was rather slanted towards high spend rather than reality.


On this point I guess I'd have to disagree though, for those of us not fortunate enough to have purchased an A110 when they were affordable for the man in the street, I don't think there is any other option other than 'high spend' these days, unless you already own one! Likely to get even higher too...

This seems to skew the service and parts costs too, as cars get more valuable, the specialists can charge more and parts get much more expensive too, when really we all know they cost just the same as they used to. The cars really are more than just the sum of their parts, unlike the poor old GTA which is worth less than the sum of its parts :(
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Postby stephendell » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:44 pm

The Certificat de Dépôt d’Acte was issued by the Tribunal de Commerce de la Seine on 6 July 1955 that recognised the official foundation of Société des Automobiles Alpine on 22 June of that year. The first road test of an Alpine A106, by Andre Costa, appeared in the 15 November 1955 edition of l’Auto Journal and it was in 1956 that series production began at Dieppe rather than 1958 as stated in the article.


Hi Tim, don't worry, you're preaching to the converted here. They only had to check the Alpine history section on the website to get these dates right :wink:

http://www.renaultalpineownersclub.com/ ... istory.htm

The 956cc A110 Berlinette Tour de France was actually launched at the Paris Salon in October 1962 not in 1963. It was listed with a 5-speed gearbox as standard and was priced at 16,650 F. but production cars had a 4-speed gearbox.


And of course more confusingly because the A108 was presented under the name of Berlinette Tour de France at the 1960 Paris Salon de l'Auto , effectively we are celebrating 50 years of the Berlinette this year :D
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Postby Penelope Pitstop » Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Tim if you were using this car as it is, a race A110, £2000 per year would be a fair estimate of the running costs. You also forgot insurance, road tax and the constant cracks in the body which some of us like to keep on top of. Good luck, the Fangios
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Postby Tim Moores » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:35 pm

OK but road tax is what it is as is insurance and the article suggested £2k per annum for routine maintenance costs to keep an ordinary A110 running. It was not suggested that it included the cost for competition preparation and the additional maintenance that might be needed through a season of serious competition. I generally do five continental rallies in serious mountains each year with my Gr.4 spec 1800 and, apart from having to re-build an engine this year that was put together by someone with the wrong head gasket and it failed on the Col de Turini, annual routine running costs over 20 years of ownership have been nowhere near £2k.
I accept that cosmetics can be expensive but that is hardly normal routine servicing.and some of us actually like a bit of patina, see the article in the latest issue of Mille Miles about Nigel Dodsworth's car.
The main thing about any A110 is to enjoy it in your own way and respect others for their decisions about their cars, we are, after all, just fortunate to be custodians of an A110 for a few years.
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