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A610 Clutch Cover

Postby jon_viola » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Anyone got one?
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Postby MFaulks » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:29 am

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I'm not sure this is going to do the job Jon, the A610 is rated at 258ft-lb of torque, even if we allow 30% which is reasonable this gives a 330ft-lb as safe, but 366 is clearly going to push this to the limit. I don't think any manufacturer would over spec by 40 - 50%... So I think you need to be considering something a little more serious.

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Postby jon_viola » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:57 am

I take your point.

Anyone got any suggestions or contacts I might get hold of for some heavy duty clutch action?

I should add that its fine for now just for those full on power runs its going to need to be uprated :lol: :lol:
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Uprated road going clutch

Postby jacw » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:51 pm

You might want to look at the AP Racing uprated RS Cosworth CP2000-9 clutch kit which is for road use and uses an organic driven plate. It is rated at 351 ft/lbs (476Nm) so will safely handle your engines peak torque. Max rotational speed is 9000rpm.
Very helpful contact at AP is [email protected]
For the flywheel I'd suggest TTV Racing, they do very nice lightweight billet units to your specification, as the above unit is 240mm http://www.ttvracing.com/
I hope this helps, Rgds John Wheeler.
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Postby MFaulks » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:31 pm

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Thanks John,

Certainly worth a go as you say, will need them to do it on a Renault spline or that will require a change in the input shaft as well. 351 ft-lb, is a tad lower than the current peak at 366 ft-lb, and possibly could go up from there with tweaks.

The easy options I could think of included:

Helix used to offer a paddle plate but can't see that now, and use the 610 pressure plate.

The other option was Ferry Development in France used to supply a paddle clutch replacement for competition, I should have the datasheet for it printed somewhere. So this would be a drop in replacement utilising the OE flywheel. However, their old website ferrydev.com doesn't appear to be live? I believe they are still going as a business, anyone have their current contact details?

Current solution Jon has implemented is turn the boost down!

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Postby darrenbiggs » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:54 pm

Have a look down the bottom of this. AP racing again but also options to upgrade the input shaft / splines if you wanted to go that far.

I assume Kevin at GTO is still involved in these?

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Postby jacw » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:37 pm

AP can supply the sprung centre type organic driven plate with the correct UN1 spline as part number CP2346-42 (steel backed) or CP2346-58 (non backed). The AP unit would certainly take you to 400ft/lbs+ which is a mere 10% above the units rating.
If you are happy to compromise road manners/driveability I saw that there is a paddle clutch for the 21turbo rated at 390 ft/lbs from these people.........
http://www.mespiecesauto.com/14-moteur
For similar torque figures I went for a Sachs Racing 200mm unsprung organic clutch with TTV billett flywheel, rated at 324ft/lb which is ok on the road, nicer than a paddle but not as smooth as a sprung plate, however this is for a very light car (circe 700kgs). It has survived a fair few full throttle starts with no complaints. This clutch can however be upgraded to a twin plate unsprung organic to support 500ft/lbs. details...
http://www.racepads.co.uk/downloads/zf/RCS.pdf page 58
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Postby MFaulks » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:24 pm

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John,

Thanks for the info and great input, much appreciated. Certainly sounds like you have an interesting bit of kit there.

I have machined the turbo PRV OE flywheels to take the AP twin plate clutch baskets quite effectively, expensive for what Jon wants to do. I think the 21 solution you gave the link looks like the way to go probably overall, especially as a quick drop and swap out will be high on the decision list...

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Postby clee » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:37 pm

Think you will have to get the flywheel modded to accept the 21 clutch .Mount screws are diff position I think .Simon T will know the differences .
I still have the AP racing clutch form JIL .It needs a bit of looking at re the release bearing height etc but may be a cheap ( relative ) option .
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Postby jon_viola » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:57 am

Hi All,

Thanks so much for your suggestions and help. Much appreciated.

Could you tell me the exact specs of the original Gta/A610 clutch.

Size, clamp, splines etc I'm in contact with a number of companies who have asked- so anything you think they might need. Perhaps this might lead to a good solution for all in the end.

Cheers

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Postby stephendell » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:12 pm

John had a custom one made for Dave Miles to handle plenty of torque so he should be able to sort you out also.
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Postby simontaylor » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:47 pm

I have a used GTA clutch from Sachs/Valeo, plus an original 1986 one on the shelf.
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Postby phildini » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:59 pm

I did have the second hand one from my 610, but the teeth on the pressure plate had some wear on them....... I can probably still get it back if you were interested..............
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