EVEN MORE HOT AND BOTHERED!

Renault & Alpine General Discussion

Moderators: eastlmark, BIG_MVS, phildini, Test Moderator, Alpineandy

User avatar
User

Mr Jon

Rank

Non Member

Posts

157

Joined

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:47 am

Location

West London


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby Mr Jon » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:33 pm

Fantastic, what a bi*ch to remove!

Just need to top her back up with fluid and tighten that swine of a bolt up at the back of the thermo housing. :shock:
User avatar
User

Mr Jon

Rank

Non Member

Posts

157

Joined

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:47 am

Location

West London


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby Mr Jon » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:57 pm

Put the thermostat in boiling water and it has opened right up, does this mean i can now eliminate the over heating problem as a result of a faulty thermostat?
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:03 pm

Check it thoroughly so it isnt intermittanly sticking....

If it isnt the thermostat, then you may have an air leak somewhere that is drawing in air and causing an air lock. If you drive the car and find it overheating, best to pull over and bleed that front screw until hot water comes out, if its cool first then you know its an air lock - then you have to find the cause.

Does it overheat everytime you drive or intermittantly?

Could be knackered water pump, or small headgasket blow putting combustion gasses into the coolant system..
Image
User avatar
User

clee

Rank

Non Member

Posts

10431

Joined

Fri May 28, 2004 11:58 am

Location

Derbyshire


Has thanked: 54 times
Been thanked: 104 times

Postby clee » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:09 pm

Yes, if it's opening it's working .Process of elimination would suggest blockage .Are you still getting an intermittent cold/hot on the cabin control :?:
User avatar
User

Mr Jon

Rank

Non Member

Posts

157

Joined

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:47 am

Location

West London


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby Mr Jon » Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:53 pm

Still getting cool air coming through the heater.

On my drive today (with the fan running constantly) it didn't go past 90 degrees and that was with varied driving, A roads and then in traffic.

I then got the revs up, this is when it started to heat up again near to the red on the temperature guage.

I hope it isn't the start of the head gasket£££
User avatar
User

peterg

Rank

Non Member

Posts

2501

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:26 pm

Location

Cumbria


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby peterg » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:29 pm

Have you tried the test I mentioned for pressure in the water system? The Omega only used a minute amount of water to start with and the thing about mayonnaise in the oil filler cap is virtually a myth......you only reach that stage when its well and truly f!*ked.
User avatar
User

stephendell

Rank

Club Member

Club Member
Posts

7463

Joined

Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:25 pm

Location

London


Has thanked: 125 times
Been thanked: 102 times

Postby stephendell » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:05 pm

Bring it to the ACE on Monday and let David plug in his tester to see if the car is actually hot. If it's anything like his car or mine the guage could be screwed. I think Davids needle moves when you rev the car.
no avatar
User

Stuart D

Rank

Non Member

Posts

92

Joined

Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:41 am

Location

Worton, Wilts


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby Stuart D » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:32 pm

David,
I've got similar problems with mine but exactly what van your tester diagnose? (It's a long drive with the heater on just to be told my engine is genuinely overheating) :roll:
User avatar
User

simontaylor

Rank

Non Member

Posts

5602

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm

Location

Fleet, Hampshire


Has thanked: 44 times
Been thanked: 56 times

Postby simontaylor » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:10 am

Is it the guage?
someone, cant remember who but they even posted a picture, robbed the kitchen meat thermometer and crafted it into a screw in sensor. This enabled him to get a good digital read out of water temp. "site search" is not helping me much, and the craftsman/inventor did offer it out for loan I think. This could save you the long trip, but what use is an over heating car, so get it sorted.
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
Firsts at
2007 : Gurston Down & RAOC Champion
2008 : Rushmoor & Eelmoor & ACSMC Hillclimb class Champion
2009 : Longcross & Eelmoor
2010 : Crystal Palace & Eelmoor
2016 : Rushmoor & 5th O/A
User avatar
User

Juzzblack

Rank

Non Member

Posts

982

Joined

Sun May 16, 2004 10:49 pm

Location

Charlotte, USA


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby Juzzblack » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:57 am

I know it's already been mentioned, but are you absolutely certain no hoses are leaking? When I was having overheating problems with mine, I replaced the rad, thermostat, expansion bottle, all the fans were working and I replaced all the hoses - or so I thought! It turned out the short fat one that comes off the back off the water pump was leaking. It's very difficult to check, as it's buried in the 'v' of the engine under the inlet manifold. I didn't spot it because any water it was leaking into the 'v' that would be an indication of a leak (which is what it was doing) was quickly evaporating due to the heat of the engine. It wasn't until I actually took the inlet manifold off and examined it visually that I noticed how badly worn it was. Too late, as I'd already blown the head gaskets by then!
GTA V6 Turbo - BTW check your earths!

Image

http://www.youtube.com/user/AlpineGTA
User avatar
User

darrenbiggs

Rank

Non Member

Posts

1499

Joined

Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:03 pm

Location

Horley - Nr Gatwick


Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 39 times

Temp tester

Postby darrenbiggs » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:18 am

Simon that was me with the meat thermometer. The link is here by the way

http://www.renaultalpine.co.uk/PHPBB/ph ... 2&start=15

'Craftsman/inventor' ....... well I'm flattered. I'm more tempted to subscribe to Rupert's theory that it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen on this site though!

Stuart D has asked to borrow it so I plan to post it to him on Saturday but for the first time ever I might actually be able to make it to the Ace on Monday (work permitting as usual)

I actually borrowed David G's unit first and that didn't detect any problems. However I wanted to be doubly sure as even then you are still reliant on the oddities of the GTA loom and it's connection to the ECU.

The good thing about my gauge is that it's entirely independent of any GTA electrics or gauges.
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:33 am

Stuart D wrote:David,
I've got similar problems with mine but exactly what van your tester diagnose? (It's a long drive with the heater on just to be told my engine is genuinely overheating) :roll:


My diagnostic tester tells you the engine temp through the ecu sensor, so therfore the true reading (as long as your ecu coolant sensor isnt up the spout too!) I do rent the unit out on my site though, and its good for checking all the other sensors are functional too..

On mine and Steves car, the dash coolant gauge goes up with the oil pressure gauge, so when i'm on load it can look like the temp is 120, when I let of the throttle and idle it then sits at 90.
Image
no avatar
User

rupert

Rank

Non Member

Posts

1323

Joined

Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:39 pm

Location

Plymouth, Devon


Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Postby rupert » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:57 am

Jon, I'm willing to bet that the heater matrix is busted and the thing has been bypassed so there is no heater...
Apart from the gauge are thare actually any other signs of overheating?
When it is overheating, try bleeding the radiator to check the water in the rad is boiling hot..(mind you don't scald yourself tho!)
I cant see that it is the water pump, if it was, the engine would have died ageas ago.
User avatar
User

mitchella

Rank

Non Member

Posts

302

Joined

Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:23 am

Location

Penicuik, Scotland


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby mitchella » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:18 am

On other motors - temp gauge rising and falling with engine revs would be an idicator of the instrument panel voltage regulator being shot. But god knows if these cars have one or where you'd find it - probably an integral part of the dash.
User avatar
User

David Gentleman

Rank

Non Member

Posts

3474

Joined

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:10 am

Location

Colchester, Essex


Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Postby David Gentleman » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:24 am

mitchella wrote:On other motors - temp gauge rising and falling with engine revs would be an idicator of the instrument panel voltage regulator being shot. But god knows if these cars have one or where you'd find it - probably an integral part of the dash.


..Its more likely that the badge on the nosecone is the cause.. :lol:
Image
PreviousNext


  • Advertisement

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 264 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | Renault' and 'Alpine' are trademarks of Renault S.A.S. or its subsidiaries and are used with kind permission of Renault France