First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginning?

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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby clee » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:34 am

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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby gchristofi » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:11 am

Those are not little wheel ramps!
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First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginning?

Postby gchristofi » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:12 am

Ps. Next time you have a GTA apart, chuck up a photo of what this little switch looks like so I know where to aim for :-)
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby clee » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:29 am

'bout 25cm forward of the driveshaft ,lhs
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby johnb » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:46 am

This photo is of my A310 gearbox when I first removed it before its refurb.
The reversing light switch is the hexagonal item to the left of the diamond shaped cover, vertically below the third bolt/nut from the left in the top flange. The switch will be in a similar position on the GTA. On the A310 the two wires to the switch come down from above.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby johnb » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:52 am

Coincidentally writing my post at the same time. GTA wiring configuration is a bit different and might be easier to inspect compared to the A310.
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First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginning?

Postby gchristofi » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:42 pm

Thanks for the reverse light info guys, will get to it eventually but been well and truly sidetracked today (in between work of course :-) )

Managed another 100 or so miles today. Has given me a chance to start focusing on the details of performance and tweaking. In fact, that was what I was going to talk about in this post, but on one occasion today, I had the dreaded boil up scenario so that's where the focus is back to for now. Blow off valve adjustment/ throttle response / boost spikes will all have to wait! Glad it wasn't type D in it yet!

Today's testing started with about 50 miles of mixed driving. Some continuous, some stop start and some spirited. The temp gauge generally behaved, moving up a little after prolonged boost but then settling back to 90 mark. On the last journey of the day, I really worked the engine, purposely using a lot of boost, braking, boost, braking etc to try to simulate track conditions (might as well break it before getting there right?) and the temps did rise somewhat but never more than half way between the 90 a left hand edge of the 130 zone. They also settled back down when cruising. So far so good.

At the end of this drive, I got the dreaded coolant smell! Oh no, not the hoses again! But it wasn't. No leaks in sight, good news. I parked the car for around 30 minutes to collect the kids from school. Engine bay fans working, I left feeling sure that the gremlins were gone. But this car always seems to bite as soon as you think something's fixed. When we got back in the car to just dawdle back home around half a mile, no boost, no silly business, the temp gauge began a slow and steady climb up to the 130 zone! I nursed it to the driveway, ushered the kids indoors and waited for the inevitable clouds of steam ...... luckily, they never came, even with the temp needle well into the danger zone. At least the replacement hoses are holding up then. That must be quite some pressure!

So, what's going on?? I could only think that this was an issue caused by latent heat soak whilst the car was parked up or possibly by me checking the level of the water in the coolant reservoir when the coolant was too hot (i.e. lower the pressure in the system and you lower the boiling point of the water back to 100) Any boiling in the system and I assume this could create air locks?

I'm sure I'd initially bled the car correctly as I had it up to temp for a long time with no air coming from the rad or thermostat bleeds. Was also getting reliable heat from the heater matrix. Fingers crossed this is not related to a head gasket issue but I'm pretty sure it would show itself in the 100 miles of spirited driving and Lee got good compression numbers from the engine.

I think I tracked the recent coolant smell to the fact that the cap of the coolant reservoir likes to burp. In fact, this may be happening during the slow down after every spirited drive because that's when I notice the smell.

During the boil up / overheat event, the front rad fans were not operating. The front hoses and the rad were cool to touch so it must follow that coolant was not reaching the front.

I let the whole thing hiss and cool down for a few hours. Refilled the coolant, bled it again for a good while, ensured proper operation of the front fans and then set out to re-create the issue all over again. By now, it was early evening and ambient air temp had dropped quite a bit. I really enjoyed these 30 odd test miles, best performance yet and really enjoyed heaping a lot of work the engines way. Thankfully, during this drive, there was no sign of an overheat but I did get that coolant smell as I rolled onto the driveway and idled for 30 seconds. I cut the engine and this time watched the temp gauge with ignition on for the next 20 minutes. The rear engine fans kicked in immediately but the temp gauge quickly rose to just shy of the start of the 130 zone.
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Then, over the next 20 minutes, temp very gradually fell back to 90. I didn't open the coolant reservoir this time just in case that is the cause of the air locking (pressure drop boil). I'll have to wait until tomorrow to drive it again and see if there's any issue after the last spirited drive.

I think one of the next mods I need is a bypass switch to operate the front rad fans manually. This car is going to need all the cooling help it can get! Any opinions, observations, advice welcome......... apologies for the essay.... and haven't even got to the fun stuff yet! :pint
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby darrenbiggs » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:42 pm

Thermostats can get lazy so I would start there first as it's a cheap and quick change.

I had one once that was opening but not fully - and that would give a very similar set of symptoms.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby gchristofi » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:18 pm

darrenbiggs wrote:Thermostats can get lazy so I would start there first as it's a cheap and quick change.

I had one once that was opening but not fully - and that would give a very similar set of symptoms.


Almost the entire cooling system is new after cars visit to RATS. Pipes, rad, fans, pump. Stat is a brand new one from simon auto. I suppose it could be faulty off the shelf though.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby darrenbiggs » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:51 am

Funnily enough my one that didn't open fully was a new one - but I'd assumed it would, of course, not be at fault. I chased my tail a lot on that one.

I think I have a good working spare if you want to borrow it and put them both in a pan of boiling water.

Or stick yours in and take a photo..... should open fully.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby clee » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:46 am

It did take quite a while to bleed the system when it was all first installed but stat could well be playing silly buggers.
Quick test, just take it out and see how it goes on a similar run/circumstances.Just to make sure you have no airlocks.Faulty expansion cap also a possibility .
Gauge movement when off is normal,heat soaks then cools so no real clues there.Cold rad at running temp means no flow or air locked so I'm still confident the lump is OK.Feel the hoses when at running temp,should be firm but not rigid :up
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby jonc » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:47 am

Getting the reverse lights sensor wired up is a bit of a pain when the engine and gearbox are in place.
After a clutch change, one of the wires for my reverse light was not connected. The tricky thing is that the sensor is right on the upper ‘shoulder’ of the gearbox and there’s not much room between it and the tunnel in which the gearbox fits. To make matters worse, there’s a plastic ’blade’ separating the two connections to the sensor. You can guess which one wasn’t connected on mine - the one furthest away up in the tunnel.

Getting the car higher up will help a lot. I did this with the rear wheels on some blocks and it was really tricky - had to do it all by feel.

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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby The Saint » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:07 am

If you remove the gearbox plastic scoop, this will give you better access to the reverse switch.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby turbell » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:00 pm

Give the binnacle a sharp whack on the L/H hand side......seriously, the pins on the temp gauge board can go high res, which I think will equal high temp reading.
Mine used to do it, twat it and it drops back, not certain it's your issue, but worth looking at, flick over with the iron and all fixed, can affect oil pressure gauge too.
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Re: First100 miles:beginning of the end or end of the beginn

Postby Tony Smith » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:24 pm

clee wrote:Image


Are those the air jacks I've read about ?
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